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		<title>Comment on Kudos to Justin Gillis by mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, Andy, one person&#039;s prism seems to be another&#039;s hall of mirrors. Yes, you wrote some fine science articles back in the day. I read dozens if not hundreds of them, and used many as I wrote my books. Thank you. Starting in 2003 or 4, though, you began mixing so many other topics and so much, shall we say, artistic nuance in with the science that lesser mortals like myself couldn&#039;t figure out what you were talking about half the time. I began to agree with a few of the top scientists that I was in touch with, including Jim Hansen, John Holdren, Dan Schrag, and Steve Schneider, that you were creating more confusion than clarity, and that you didn&#039;t understand the science and probably didn&#039;t care to. Or, who knows? Maybe you were a legitimate global warming skeptic. Maybe you still are. I don&#039;t know. I don&#039;t read your blog anymore. I don&#039;t find it informative. One thing I have noticed on the rare occasion that I do drop in, however, is how easily you overlay your opinions on those of your interview subjects, how frequently you mention your own work, in short, how much you talk about yourself.

I can think of three things in particular that you published back then that pushed me in this direction. One, interestingly enough, was the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/23/science/climate-debate-gets-its-icon-mt-kilimanjaro.html&quot; title=&quot;Climate Debate Gets Its Icon: Mt. Kilimanjaro&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article about Kilimanjaro&lt;/a&gt; that you mention above. You indicate that the article was about a scientific debate. But it was also about media coverage, it had rather an ironic take on environmentalism, and it questioned the reality of global warming in general. One of the experts you chose to trot out was Pat Michaels, an open anti-global warming propogandist, whose newsletter was funded by coal companies from its inception and who had blatantly falsified a scientific paper by Jim Hansen in some testimony he had given to Congress. (That&#039;s what I mean by intellectual dishonesty.) There was Michaels on a par with Lonnie Thompson. You were teaching the controversy, Andy, just as Michaels and his wealthy backers would have wanted you to. I remember giving your article to my girlfriend to read. She&#039;s quite intelligent, but she wasn&#039;t up on the science or the subtleties of the public relations war. When she finished reading, she said, &quot;Oh, so global warming probably isn&#039;t happening, right?&quot;

As for the debate about whether warming has anything to do with the melting of the Snows of Kilimanjaro, I have a long endnote about that in &lt;a href=&quot;http://mark-bowen.com/book_ti.html&quot; title=&quot;Thin Ice Web page&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Thin Ice.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; To me Kaser&#039;s analysis has always seemed simplistic, and, as Lonnie says, untested. It&#039;s more-or-less pure conjecture. And I find the interpretation of Doug Hardy&#039;s weather station data somewhat ludicrous. I suspect there are surface effects close to the snow, which his sensors, located a meter or two above it, miss. Doug&#039;s overall understanding might have benefited from a look around while he was setting up his weather station. (Simple observation, properly recorded, constitutes perfectly valid scientific data.) He was standing on slushy snow, he had walked around large puddles on the surface of the glacier to get there, and he was filling his water bottles and cooking his meals with meltwater from the glacier. A huge waterfall issued from its surface about a hundred yards from our campsite. Yet he agrees with Kaser that the snow is subliming away, not melting. I was there when Doug and Matthias set up the weather station. I watched and heard that glacier melt away all day every day for about four weeks. I flatly disbelieve the sublimation argument. But even if sublimation is the main culprit, as Doug&#039;s former thesis advisor and the lead author of the sublimation paper, Ray Bradley, once said to me, &quot;Look. There’s no way on Earth that every glacier in the world outside of Scandinavia is disappearing as a result of global warming; and here’s this glacier in the tropics that is somehow disappearing, but it’s not related to global warming. Give me a break.&quot;

In 2006, when the IPCC report and Al Gore&#039;s movie, &quot;An Inconvenient Truth&quot; came out, some media outlets, such as &lt;em&gt;Time,&lt;/em&gt; ABC News, and 60 Minutes finally began reporting that global warming was real and was actually happening--a few years too late. At that point you made an interesting move that I still see as an attempt at media one-upsmanship. You and your august publication scrambled for the high journalistic ground. You &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/23/weekinreview/23revkin.html&quot; title=&quot;Yelling &#039;Fire&#039; on a Hot Planet&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;retreated into a lofty (dare we say arrogant?) skepticism&lt;/a&gt; and accused the other media outlets of having forsaken their senses, more-or-less. By that time, the scientific case for global warming was undeniable. Yet in &lt;a href=&quot;http://video.nytimes.com/video/2006/04/22/weekinreview/1194817097927/the-global-warming-debate.html&quot; title=&quot;The Global Warming Debate&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this video&lt;/a&gt;, you asserted that climate scientists didn&#039;t know much of anything at all. Your closing line was &quot;What do we really know?&quot;

I think climate scientists know a lot, Andy, and that it&#039;s the responsibility of some journalists--not yourself evidently--to make that knowledge clear. Meanwhile, I wish you all the fun in the world expressing your opinions, cherishing your nuance, teaching your controversy, and entertaining oh so sophisticated friends in your ever-expanding hall of mirrors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Andy, one person&#8217;s prism seems to be another&#8217;s hall of mirrors. Yes, you wrote some fine science articles back in the day. I read dozens if not hundreds of them, and used many as I wrote my books. Thank you. Starting in 2003 or 4, though, you began mixing so many other topics and so much, shall we say, artistic nuance in with the science that lesser mortals like myself couldn&#8217;t figure out what you were talking about half the time. I began to agree with a few of the top scientists that I was in touch with, including Jim Hansen, John Holdren, Dan Schrag, and Steve Schneider, that you were creating more confusion than clarity, and that you didn&#8217;t understand the science and probably didn&#8217;t care to. Or, who knows? Maybe you were a legitimate global warming skeptic. Maybe you still are. I don&#8217;t know. I don&#8217;t read your blog anymore. I don&#8217;t find it informative. One thing I have noticed on the rare occasion that I do drop in, however, is how easily you overlay your opinions on those of your interview subjects, how frequently you mention your own work, in short, how much you talk about yourself.</p>
<p>I can think of three things in particular that you published back then that pushed me in this direction. One, interestingly enough, was the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/23/science/climate-debate-gets-its-icon-mt-kilimanjaro.html" title="Climate Debate Gets Its Icon: Mt. Kilimanjaro" rel="nofollow">article about Kilimanjaro</a> that you mention above. You indicate that the article was about a scientific debate. But it was also about media coverage, it had rather an ironic take on environmentalism, and it questioned the reality of global warming in general. One of the experts you chose to trot out was Pat Michaels, an open anti-global warming propogandist, whose newsletter was funded by coal companies from its inception and who had blatantly falsified a scientific paper by Jim Hansen in some testimony he had given to Congress. (That&#8217;s what I mean by intellectual dishonesty.) There was Michaels on a par with Lonnie Thompson. You were teaching the controversy, Andy, just as Michaels and his wealthy backers would have wanted you to. I remember giving your article to my girlfriend to read. She&#8217;s quite intelligent, but she wasn&#8217;t up on the science or the subtleties of the public relations war. When she finished reading, she said, &#8220;Oh, so global warming probably isn&#8217;t happening, right?&#8221;</p>
<p>As for the debate about whether warming has anything to do with the melting of the Snows of Kilimanjaro, I have a long endnote about that in <a href="http://mark-bowen.com/book_ti.html" title="Thin Ice Web page" rel="nofollow"><em>Thin Ice.</em></a> To me Kaser&#8217;s analysis has always seemed simplistic, and, as Lonnie says, untested. It&#8217;s more-or-less pure conjecture. And I find the interpretation of Doug Hardy&#8217;s weather station data somewhat ludicrous. I suspect there are surface effects close to the snow, which his sensors, located a meter or two above it, miss. Doug&#8217;s overall understanding might have benefited from a look around while he was setting up his weather station. (Simple observation, properly recorded, constitutes perfectly valid scientific data.) He was standing on slushy snow, he had walked around large puddles on the surface of the glacier to get there, and he was filling his water bottles and cooking his meals with meltwater from the glacier. A huge waterfall issued from its surface about a hundred yards from our campsite. Yet he agrees with Kaser that the snow is subliming away, not melting. I was there when Doug and Matthias set up the weather station. I watched and heard that glacier melt away all day every day for about four weeks. I flatly disbelieve the sublimation argument. But even if sublimation is the main culprit, as Doug&#8217;s former thesis advisor and the lead author of the sublimation paper, Ray Bradley, once said to me, &#8220;Look. There’s no way on Earth that every glacier in the world outside of Scandinavia is disappearing as a result of global warming; and here’s this glacier in the tropics that is somehow disappearing, but it’s not related to global warming. Give me a break.&#8221;</p>
<p>In 2006, when the IPCC report and Al Gore&#8217;s movie, &#8220;An Inconvenient Truth&#8221; came out, some media outlets, such as <em>Time,</em> ABC News, and 60 Minutes finally began reporting that global warming was real and was actually happening&#8211;a few years too late. At that point you made an interesting move that I still see as an attempt at media one-upsmanship. You and your august publication scrambled for the high journalistic ground. You <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/23/weekinreview/23revkin.html" title="Yelling 'Fire' on a Hot Planet" rel="nofollow">retreated into a lofty (dare we say arrogant?) skepticism</a> and accused the other media outlets of having forsaken their senses, more-or-less. By that time, the scientific case for global warming was undeniable. Yet in <a href="http://video.nytimes.com/video/2006/04/22/weekinreview/1194817097927/the-global-warming-debate.html" title="The Global Warming Debate" rel="nofollow">this video</a>, you asserted that climate scientists didn&#8217;t know much of anything at all. Your closing line was &#8220;What do we really know?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think climate scientists know a lot, Andy, and that it&#8217;s the responsibility of some journalists&#8211;not yourself evidently&#8211;to make that knowledge clear. Meanwhile, I wish you all the fun in the world expressing your opinions, cherishing your nuance, teaching your controversy, and entertaining oh so sophisticated friends in your ever-expanding hall of mirrors.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kudos to Justin Gillis by Andy Revkin</title>
		<link>http://www.tipping-points.com/?p=204#comment-80920</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Revkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 21:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that Justin&#039;s piece on Lonnie is a &lt;em&gt;tour de force&lt;/em&gt; of profile writing. But I have to take issue with your attacks on my climate reporting. 

You&#039;ve perhaps conflated my hundreds of pieces, over 25 years, focused on the science pointing to human-driven climate change with those focused on the &lt;em&gt;policy fight&lt;/em&gt; over responses to climate change -- which involves many factions, far more layers of wicked complexity, and inevitably a prismatic approach. (Among other coverage, you probably missed my &lt;a href=&quot;http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/a-farewell-to-ice/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1994 magazine piece on retreating glaciers&lt;/a&gt;, featuring Lonnie. Give it a read, and a grade.)

Justin&#039;s piece, while a beautiful profile, (&lt;em&gt;surely for space reasons and to keep it oriented to a human-interest audience&lt;/em&gt;) glosses over &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/23/science/climate-debate-gets-its-icon-mt-kilimanjaro.html?pagewanted=all&amp;src=pm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;significant and legitimate scientific debate&lt;/a&gt; over Kilimanjaro conclusions and doesn&#039;t get into &lt;a href=&quot;http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/the-ice-man-warneth/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lonnie&#039;s shift into advocacy&lt;/a&gt; (akin to the one you &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books/about/Censoring_Science.html?id=cOPYz5pybksC&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;chronicled in your book on Jim Hansen&lt;/a&gt;) -- which also comes with more complications and legitimate room for disagreement. 

My hope is that Lonnie&#039;s new heart gives him the power to climb new mountains and old ones (and also provides many more years for Lonnie and Ellen to enjoy together). My hope for you is that you can learn to avoid oversimplified distillations of what is, and isn&#039;t, responsible journalism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Justin&#8217;s piece on Lonnie is a <em>tour de force</em> of profile writing. But I have to take issue with your attacks on my climate reporting. </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve perhaps conflated my hundreds of pieces, over 25 years, focused on the science pointing to human-driven climate change with those focused on the <em>policy fight</em> over responses to climate change &#8212; which involves many factions, far more layers of wicked complexity, and inevitably a prismatic approach. (Among other coverage, you probably missed my <a href="http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/a-farewell-to-ice/" rel="nofollow">1994 magazine piece on retreating glaciers</a>, featuring Lonnie. Give it a read, and a grade.)</p>
<p>Justin&#8217;s piece, while a beautiful profile, (<em>surely for space reasons and to keep it oriented to a human-interest audience</em>) glosses over <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/23/science/climate-debate-gets-its-icon-mt-kilimanjaro.html?pagewanted=all&amp;src=pm" rel="nofollow">significant and legitimate scientific debate</a> over Kilimanjaro conclusions and doesn&#8217;t get into <a href="http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/the-ice-man-warneth/" rel="nofollow">Lonnie&#8217;s shift into advocacy</a> (akin to the one you <a href="http://books.google.com/books/about/Censoring_Science.html?id=cOPYz5pybksC" rel="nofollow">chronicled in your book on Jim Hansen</a>) &#8212; which also comes with more complications and legitimate room for disagreement. </p>
<p>My hope is that Lonnie&#8217;s new heart gives him the power to climb new mountains and old ones (and also provides many more years for Lonnie and Ellen to enjoy together). My hope for you is that you can learn to avoid oversimplified distillations of what is, and isn&#8217;t, responsible journalism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ed Douglas Calls on Climbers to Bear Witness by Mountain climbers can bear first witness &#124; Beyond Climate</title>
		<link>http://www.tipping-points.com/?p=135#comment-58603</link>
		<dc:creator>Mountain climbers can bear first witness &#124; Beyond Climate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 11:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] not being aware can mean the difference between life and death. As Marc Bowen writes on his blog Tipping Points, &#8220;Who better to ask about changes in that world than those whose very lives depend on their [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not being aware can mean the difference between life and death. As Marc Bowen writes on his blog Tipping Points, &#8220;Who better to ask about changes in that world than those whose very lives depend on their [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hansen and Bowen to speak in the cradle of American Liberty by Ebony</title>
		<link>http://www.tipping-points.com/?p=27#comment-38914</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 07:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thnkas for sharing. Always good to find a real expert.]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Durango Herald: Manufactured doubt and denial are not science by Paul Meleng</title>
		<link>http://www.tipping-points.com/?p=80#comment-38448</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Meleng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks for your work]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for your work</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Storm in a Teacup in the Sunday Telegraph by Baruch Pelta</title>
		<link>http://www.tipping-points.com/?p=45#comment-27066</link>
		<dc:creator>Baruch Pelta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ps I haven&#039;t seen the story in the Guardian, I dunno if it&#039;s true that it was there, haven&#039;t looked into it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps I haven&#8217;t seen the story in the Guardian, I dunno if it&#8217;s true that it was there, haven&#8217;t looked into it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Storm in a Teacup in the Sunday Telegraph by Baruch Pelta</title>
		<link>http://www.tipping-points.com/?p=45#comment-27065</link>
		<dc:creator>Baruch Pelta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A friend mentioned the &lt;i&gt;Telegraph&lt;/i&gt; artice to me Saturday night as proof that we should be skeptical of claims by scientists, *particularly* in this area. I was skeptical, especially since the last article I read in that esteemed paper had reported that Ahmadinejad is Jewish, but then he told me *this* story had been picked up by the Guardian. I had difficulty googling around for a response, but I&#039;m happy I found your excellent rebuttle. I hope it will receive wider publicity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend mentioned the <i>Telegraph</i> artice to me Saturday night as proof that we should be skeptical of claims by scientists, *particularly* in this area. I was skeptical, especially since the last article I read in that esteemed paper had reported that Ahmadinejad is Jewish, but then he told me *this* story had been picked up by the Guardian. I had difficulty googling around for a response, but I&#8217;m happy I found your excellent rebuttle. I hope it will receive wider publicity.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Storm in a Teacup in the Sunday Telegraph by LauraM</title>
		<link>http://www.tipping-points.com/?p=45#comment-26822</link>
		<dc:creator>LauraM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nicely explained.  Hang in there, Mark.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely explained.  Hang in there, Mark.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Free Lance-Star Op-ed by mark</title>
		<link>http://www.tipping-points.com/?p=41#comment-26820</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The article and my comments about this minor brouhaha are now posted on this blog, Ed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article and my comments about this minor brouhaha are now posted on this blog, Ed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Free Lance-Star Op-ed by Ed Darrell</title>
		<link>http://www.tipping-points.com/?p=41#comment-26742</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[P.S.  Could you write a little more often here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  Could you write a little more often here?</p>
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